This is going to be a continuation of the discussion I’ve been having with Nikki over at her blog.  Its a conversation that I personally really enjoy having. The horrid way women have been written for in pop culture is something thats always kinda bugged me.  I always thought they weren’t even trying to write them well.  But the rise of webcomics show that they could have been much worse.

c’mon really guys? I mean I understand that we as nerds tend not to have much experience talking to women, but still, how could you think that was an acceptable potrayal of women?  Here’s a hint if you can have a suprise twist in the plot by making your character not hate the thing everyone else in the comic is into, then you have a sucky character. thats just regardless of gender.  people in real life are friends because they get along. That seems to be a step people forget when creating characters… Giving the characters any reason to hang around each other, other then there is some mysterious force outside the bounds of there universe compelling them to do so.

Which is why I’ve more and more been grudgingly accepting that I am in fact a “writer” as much as I already consider myself an artist.  I’m a pretty terrible writer, but being terrible never stopped me from calling myself artistic. so I’m a writer in the sense that I aspire to be a better writter.  Some guys gotta prove that writting a mixed gender cast isn’t some impossible dream right?  One time someone had told me that my character of Navi was a believable lady, and that really stuck with me and bugged me. I love navi but “she” is an insane robot, who was completely smitten with a 2-3 year old girl.  Navi’s percieved love for things were merely mirroring Missa’s intrests. I can do better then that, and thus I should.

I’ve been reading a series of books by Tamora peirce I’ve got through the first one and enjoyed it quite a bit. well except one teeny bit where Alanna got her first period, which weirded me out a bit. a fact that nikki enjoyed immensly.  But any small insights into the other sex is useful to help me write more realistic characters.  I mean I already know that the first big secret is that men and women aren’t as different as people make out. A lot of the differences are just very minor and subtle and thats what makes figuring them out fun. :)

I have  a lot more to say about this topic, but I gotta figure out how to get it organized better in my head.  I’m posting this bit now ’cause otherwise nikki would win our contest and I suspect that would be the end of both our blogs.  at the very least it would be the end of mine XD

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  • Just in time, Trav, just in time! I'm already half done my entry for this week, fyi.

    To make you feel better about Alanna's womenly troubles, that's the last time that ever shows up in the rest of the Tortall books, iirc. Daine certainly wouldn't be surprised by such a thing since she's the (bastard) daughter of a midwife, XD Oh, and once you finish In the Hands of the Goddess, tell me who you think Alanna is going to end up with in the end. I'm curious to see your guess.

    Navi? A believable woman? She started out as a guy for chrissake! I mean, sure, she's an awesome and entertaining character, but she certainly isn't a believable woman, XD

    I've got a plan, Trav. Howabouts whenever we make characters of the opposite gender that are rather shallow and don't make sense we smack each other? I mean, we've gotta use our male/female partnership for SOMETHING. Something other than tricking people into we're married, that is.
  • Better last minute than never right?

    That set of books is one of the few books I'm not packing into boxes so I'll definitely let you know when I get through that book. its the next one right?

    Yeah it really bugged me that several people thought that Navi was an acceptable female character. I like her but she doesn't even qualify as human.

    I <3 your plan. As long as its shallow AND don't make sense. cause I have at least one character who is intentionally shallow, but shes a minor character at best and it'll make sense in context. :)
  • But purposefully shallow characters have depth because they are purposefully shallow! Yeah. That's my reasoning, anyway.

    Yeah, that's the next book! And yay for not packing it up - mine aren't packed either. Of course, I'm not sure where I'm going to put them... I guess I could shove 'em in with my clothes, maybe... we will see.
  • Ok, that was my sorta logic too... if its intentional then its not a flaw in writing. She's the character I invented to kinda point out the inherent logic fail of a lot of romance movies... i.e. that the popular girl is kinda shallow and theres no good reason the guy should spend that much effort on her except she's pretty and thats not really what love is.

    That set of books is gonna go in my messenger bag along with my netbook, and a notebook, and a sketchbook. Ie. stuff I want to get to right away to take a break from unpacking. I'm really wishing I had gone through some of the stuff I put into boxes and tossed the junk but I already taped those boxes up so ya, not gonna bother so much.
  • Yeah, that's what I think. It goes along with the 'you have to know the rules before you can break them' line of thought.

    You can always toss the junk as you unpack!
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